Michael Greger MD is sort of in the Jack Norris/Ginny Messina camp of science-based vegan nutrition experts, but he’s a doctor rather than a dietitian; he also appears to be convinced that veganism (especially if low fat) is the healthiest possible diet.

Norris and Messina, who wrote the recent Vegan For Life, are optimistic about the health benefits of veganism, and I get the feeling that they think it’s possible that a properly supplemented vegan diet could turn out to be the healthiest way to eat. But their approach is more akin to making the best of a bad situation. Morality shackles give vegans less flexibility in their diets and Messina and Norris try to help them work around nutritional challenges so they never have to go back to immoral foods. Greger, however, promotes nutritionally informed veganism as the best way to eat for health reasons, even if you think animal lives are a complete joke.

Until now, Greger has mostly been known to vegans for his lectures at veg fests, where he would talk about about the latest in nutrition. His schtick was to list vegan foods—white potatoes, tofu, wheat gluten, raw mushrooms, blue-green algae, olive oil, coconut milk, etc.— and ask the audience whether they thought the food was “helpful, neutral or harmful.” Vegans are always devastated to learn that he believes coconut milk, raw mushrooms, blue-green algae and white potatoes are harmful (unless they follow a form of veganism that already restricts some of those foods, in which case they feel vindicated), but Greger ends his lectures on an optimistic note, proclaiming that vegans who supplement B12 and avoid harmful vegan foods are the healthiest people in the world. Vegans really love that part.

Now Greger has started a blog on his website, Nutrition Facts. Like the pro-vegan Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, Nutrition Facts is a very sciencey, authoritative, unbiased sounding name that gives no hint that the goal is to promote a complete avoidance of animal products. Even the about page doesn’t mention veganism or Greger’s ethical commitment to ending human use of animals, though it does say that he’s the Director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture at the Humane Society.

To draw attention to the blog, Greger is posting a new video on it every single day for a year. Today’s video is called “Antioxidant power of plant foods versus animal foods.” If this video happens to be your only exposure to nutrition science, you might come away thinking that antioxidant content is the most and possibly only important consideration when selecting your food sources.

Just be sure not to eat coconut milk.

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Interview With an Ex-Adventist: Ronald L. Numbers

Ronald L. Numbers is Hilldale Professor of the History of Science and Medicine and of Religious Studies, and a member of the department of medical history and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, where he has taught for over three and a half decades. He has written or edited more than two dozen books, including, most recently, Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths about Science and Religion (Harvard, 2009), Biology and Ideology from Descartes to Dawkins (Chicago, 2010), edited with Denis Alexander, and the recently published Science and Religion around the World (Oxford, 2011), edited with John Hedley Brooke. He is a past president of the History of Science Society, the American Society of Church History, and the International Union of History and Philosophy of Science.

Numbers is also the author of Prophetess of Health: Ellen G. White and the Origins of Seventh-day Adventist Health Reform, a book that arguably did for Seventh-day Adventism what No Man Knows My History did for Mormonism. (In other words, it’s not at the top of most Adventist reading lists.) Revealing Adventism co-founder Ellen White’s talent for plagiarizing the health reformers of her time and casting doubt upon the divine nature of her prophetic visions got Numbers fired from Loma Linda University, the Adventist stronghold in California, but it also got him this interview with me. So perhaps it was for the best.

Vegetarian Adventist dietitians have had a big influence on the American Dietetic Association’s position paper on a vegetarian diet since 1988, when the ADA started endorsing vegetarianism. Not all Adventists are vegetarian — some estimates have it around 50 percent, and Numbers has seen estimates as low as 10 percent — but most Adventists believe that God told Ellen White in a vision that vegetarianism, and maybe even near-veganism, is the proper diet for mankind. Could this be in the back of Adventist researchers’ minds as they conduct studies proving the superiority of a vegetarian diet? You can probably guess what I think, but I’m an outsider on this issue and I wanted to hear what a former Adventist scholar had to say about it.

Were you raised as a vegetarian Adventist?

Yes. I’m a fourth-generation Adventist. My maternal grandfather was president of the international church. And all my male relatives are ministers, or were ministers, both grandfathers, father, uncles on both sides of my family, brother-in-law, my nephew. I went from first grade through college in Adventist schools. So I was thoroughly integrated into the Adventist church.  

Adventism is not the only religion with dietary guidelines. But Mormons don’t care if gentiles drink caffeine and Jews don’t care if gentiles eat treif. Yet it seems to me that Adventists want to spread vegetarianism even outside the bounds of their religion. Is that a correct impression?

Well I’ve got to say that if that were a goal of theirs, they haven’t done very well. Adventists tend to be very insular. And other groups have taken over and promoted vegetarianism and vegetarian meat substitutes more than the Adventists have. By and large, the Adventists are out to convert to world to Adventism, but not to vegetarianism. Keep in mind, I don’t know if as many as 10 percent of Adventists are vegetarians. You know about the theology?  

Which aspect?

So if you’re an Adventist, you’re encouraged not to eat meat. But you can still be saved if you eat clean meat and fish — fish, if they have fins and scales, and mammals that chew their cud and have cloven hooves. It’s the Old Testament Levitical rules.

Now, the only penalty for eating clean meat is that you cannot be translated, which is a term they use for going to heaven without seeing death. So if you eat meat, clean meat, you can be saved but you’ll have to die. If you don’t eat any meat, then you have the privilege of living through the worst period in the history of the earth, “the time of troubles.” I’ve been thinking of setting up workshops encouraging all Adventists to eat one bite of meat so that they die before the time of troubles. That’s a joke.

I, however, have not eaten any meat, even though I left Adventism decades ago. It’s because of psychopathology now. I just think of dead animals. I’m not principled at all.

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I am going to post my own take on this story this weekend.

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Apparently all that squinting at ingredients labels is good for you.

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Interview With an Ex-Vegan: Erim Bilgin

Erim Bilgin was born and raised in Istanbul, Turkey. Unhappy with being overweight at 14, he developed an eating disorder. He fought anorexia for a year before deciding to learn more about health and optimal nutrition, which led him to raw veganism and 30 Bananas a Day — a site for vegans following the low fat raw vegan (LFRV) lifestyle that Dr. Douglas Graham proselytizes. Graham says the optimal macronutrient ratio for humans is 80/10/10: 80 percent of calories from carbohydrates, 10 percent from fat and 10 percent from protein. This means a diet of raw fruits and vegetables, but mostly fruits, a program that Erim obediently followed for three years.

Posting under the alias “Apple-Man,” Erim was a frequent and welcome contributor to the 30 Bananas a Day message board, until he recently quit veganism at the age of 19. Now they don’t much like him in low fat raw vegan land.

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What happened between you being a true-believing 80/10/10 low fat raw vegan and you eating animal products again?

Sickness happened, and as a result, a whole lot of questioning. I really was a true believer in the low fat raw vegan lifestyle. I totally got the message. I believed in it fully. I followed it perfectly for three years, during which my health didn’t really get any better, but for the first two years, it didn’t get any worse either.

About a year and a half into it, I started to get weak, mentally, though this didn’t become apparent to me for years. I was extremely susceptible to stress. Anything would get to me, and I had to learn about self-mastery and breathing techniques and all that shit. It’s funny, because I was saying I was eating a raw vegan diet because it was “natural”, but here I was depending upon all these “unnatural” techniques. It never occurred to me that mental strength should come naturally. I just thought today’s world was too hectic.

I would skip school a lot, because just the thought of getting out of bed made me anxious some days. Speaking of the bed, I also had some difficulty sleeping once in a while around my second year of LFRV. Not only was my sleep too light, I also had difficulty falling asleep, since I had to shift my legs all the time. I would later learn that this is a medical condition called Restless Legs Syndrome, a neurological problem. (I’m looking at you, B-12! Why weren’t you formed in my gut as promised?)

My mood depended entirely on outside conditions. Talk about ups and downs. Cloudy sky meant bad mood. Cold weather meant bad mood. I became addicted to my mp3 player, because I just didn’t have the zest to go through the day without some stimulating rhythm. All this, even though I knew pretty much everything necessary to remain calm and centered. But, like I said, I didn’t acknowledge this as a problem with me, I just thought today’s world was too harsh.

The problems started to become more physical sometime around the first quarter of 2010. My teeth started getting incredibly sensitive, and there were clear signs of heavy acid erosion. I thought the tips of my teeth were always this transparent and that the darkened spots near my gum line were just stains from all the colorful food I was eating. My gums started to recede, I broke a molar by biting a tiny piece of a hazelnut shell by mistake, and a few months later my dentist would find six cavities in my raw vegan mouth. Jokingly, she told me I had “basically every dental problem that we have a name for”. But I was taking batter care of my teeth than ever! I even avoided those acidic animal products! You know, the ones that leech calcium from your bones? I wondered how I remained cavity free before when I didn’t even brush, let alone floss, let alone brush and floss thrice a day. And clean my tongue.

I chalked it up to bad genetics.

I started to get more and more fatigued. I would come home from school (if I ever DID manage to go to school that day), and I’d wonder how people manage to still do things after school. Sure, I exercised regularly, but even that was strange. For the life of me, I couldn’t increase the intensity no matter how hard I tried. It was mostly endurance running, the vegan favorite. And it wasn’t TRAINING, it was only maintenance work. I just couldn’t improve my performance.

Speaking of performance, I also had no sex drive. Now, believe me when I say that there is a difference between LOW sex drive and NO sex drive. Because I had NONE. And it wasn’t just because all girls were evil, smelly, meat-eating murderers either. I was even indifferent to Jenna Dewan Tatum’s PETA ad, so that says something. But it didn’t bother me much. After all, getting rid of those nasty animalistic desires was a bonus!

So all in all, this healthiest lifestyle ever gave me the shining gifts of health: Low energy, pale skin, anxiety and a mouth that looked like battlefield ruins. But I could definitely brag about how my poop didn’t smell, or that my urine was crystal clear! Raw vegan ftw!

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One of the perils of being raised vegetarian or vegan from birth is that — so long as you aren’t a total health disaster — your parents and other animal activists might have a mind to use you as a mascot for the cause, trotting you out as a counter-example to stories of dead vegan babies and sick vegan adults.

When they’re older, the veg*an-from-birth kids who are put on display must give testimonials about how athletic they are, how they’ve easily maintained their ideal body weight, how rarely they get sick, how short their colds are, how they’ve never been to the hospital except to comfort a meat eating relative dying of cancer, how they never had acne break-outs, how much they enjoy food and how they have no desire to eat meat.

This is only a problem for those who don’t want to be human fodder for an ideological manifesto. If parental influence triumphs and ethical veg*anism becomes an important part of the veg*an child’s identity, they might enjoy their life as a talking point. Alina, the 28 year-old vegetarian from birth in this video, seems to relish being exhibit number seven in pro-veggie author Larry Cook’s parade of vegetarian success stories.

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"I should explain why I decided to really tackle the healthy vegan thing. In the past few months I have had an alarming amount of e-mails from vegans, some vegan for a LONG time who were telling me that they have gained a lot of weight, they are pre-diabetic or T2 diabetic, now have heart problems, high blood pressure and other health issues. Most of these people have been completely devastated, and a few went back to eating animals, because they were convinced it was the vegan diet that did them in. … We have also in the past couple of years seen a lot of people giving up their vegan diet because they say they became ill. … But what message does it send to our friends, family and close circle if we as vegans start to get the very diseases that we keep saying that vegans don’t get? And what if our doctors see this in us and tell us it is the vegan diet that is making us sick?"

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Interview With an Ex-Vegan: Tasha

Tasha is a writer, lecturer, food rights and women’s rights activist. She was born and raised in Saudi Arabia, living in Saudi her whole life, except while attending university and graduate school in the USA and the UK. She went vegan in 2007 for animal, environment and world hunger reasons, and for three years ran the vegan recipe site The Voracious Vegan, which VegNews magazine named one of the Top 10 Vegan Blogs in 2010.

In November of 2010 she posted an entry called “A Vegan No More,” about leaving veganism because of health issues arising from a diet of zero animal products. It’s no secret that vegans don’t like ex-vegans, but the reaction against Tasha’s defection was especially fierce. Partially this was because her entry was so widely read and effective; many suffering vegans were inspired by Tasha’s entry to question and leave the lifestyle that had previously ensnared them with its claims to moral obligation. Even worse from the vegan standpoint was that Tasha wasn’t apologetic about her change. She did not think she had become a worse person by giving up vegan-ordained Compassion™, and in fact saw virtues to her new way of living that went beyond nutrition.

But that was two months ago. Has a combination of soul-searching and vegan death threats brought Tasha back to her senses? Let’s find out.  

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How could you go from being so passionate about veganism to publicly and defiantly leaving it?

Many people mistakenly think my abandonment of veganism was an overnight decision, when in reality it was anything but. I had been feeling very sick and weak for a while, but when I went to the doctor they took blood and told me it was normal. I remember telling myself to ignore my deteriorating physical condition and celebrate the ‘hard proof’ that I was healthy and well. I trumpeted the good news to friends and family and gave all the credit to my ‘healthy vegan diet’.

It wasn’t until a few weeks later, after talking to a nurse friend, that I learned the basic blood panels for expats that I had thought to be comprehensive only check white blood cell count, cholesterol levels and not much else. So, I found another doctor and went through the process of requesting a thorough examination and insisting upon a complete blood panel. When I got the results and saw the deficiencies, I was devastated. I felt like such a failure.

It took me months of visiting doctor after doctor, feeling weak, depressed and miserable, before I finally made a change. I think many vegans underestimate just how life changing it can be to go through such a serious health crisis. I had been robustly healthy for my entire life up until then, so this complete physical deterioration was extremely devastating. Once I finally decided that I deserved to be healthy and embraced an omnivorous diet, my health returned within two months.

During this experience I was inevitably forced to rethink my ethics. After all, if some people need to eat animals and animal products to be healthy, how can it be so wrong? I was working closely with my friends and colleagues in the food rights community, global south advocates, agronomists, farmers and environmentalists as I reexamined and restructured my belief system. I found out that I had been mistaken about many of my previous beliefs, and realized that veganism had not only made me ill, but had also been an ineffective strategy for accomplishing my goals. So, what to the casual observer may appear to have been a dramatic, overnight decision was actually a very long and arduous process of regaining my health and reevaluating my beliefs.

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Vegan Deaths and Their Non-Diet-Related Causes

One of the hazards of achieving meaning through diet is that your legacy is heavily dependent on how long you live. If you say your diet is the best, and then you die young of a health failure, it messes up everything. Your opponents will quietly cheer your death as a validation of their nutritional and moral worldview and your followers will either abandon you or strain to explain why your death had nothing to do with what you ate.

Not all vegans claim that veganism is the healthiest diet, or that it makes you immune to chronic disease and early death. Yet most vegans can’t help but associate meat, dairy and eggs with heart attacks and cancer, so if a vegan does die early of one of those red meat diseases, it can’t be due to nutrition. A better explanation is that they were doomed from the start.

Leslie Cross

Leslie Cross, who founded the Plant Milk Society, was a great friend of mine. He died comparatively early, well, in his early 70s, I think, and, in a letter he sent me, shortly before he died, he mentioned that, as a child, he’d fallen heavily from a gate and the authorities thought he might not recover and, I think, if he had an early death for a vegan, it may have been the consequence of that.

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Frey Ellis (1918 - 1978)

The [Vegan] Society was grateful to add to its membership Dr. Frey Ellis, who took a special interest in vegan health. He educated vegans about the health benefits of vegan diets, about the care necessary in bringing up children as vegans, and about B12, which had been discovered in 1949. … Dr. Ellis became a council member and vice president of the Vegan Society in 1961 and was its president from 1964 until he died in 1978 [at the age of 59 - pdf]. This gentle man worked to show the scientific world that a vegan diet could be nutritionally adequate.

[No explanation is given for the early death, but his obituary (linked to in the above pdf) says, “He bore his last illness with great courage and with unfailing courtesy.”]

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H. Jay Dinshah (1933 - 2000)

H. Jay Dinshah, 66, who as the leader of the American Vegan Society was an advocate for life without violence toward animals or humans, died on June 8, apparently from a heart attack while working in his office in Malaga, New Jersey [after 43 years of veganism]. Both sides of his family had a history of congenital heart problems, relatives said. …

Mr. Dinshah was raised as lacto-vegetarian from birth by his parents, the late Dinshah P. Ghadiali and Irene Grace Hoger Dinshah. His diet in later years consisted of fruits, salads, vegetables, grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.

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George Ohsawa (1893 - 1966)

Macrobiotics founder George Ohsawa died of a heart attack at the age of 73. Macrobiotics allows for the eating of fish occasionally but Ohsawa believed brown rice was the ideal food and that the best diet was one consisting entirely of grains.

According to macrobiotic advocate Kaare Bursell, the seeds for Ohsawa’s premature demise were planted ten years earlier in West Africa when Ohsawa demonstrated the dangers of consuming too much “yin” by drinking alcohol and excess water and walking around barefoot. This extreme behavior gave him a deadly blood condition (“African Sickness”), which he cured by abruptly turning his blood yang with a meal of brown rice, aduki beans and sea salt. Unfortunately, this merely sent the blood parasite into hiding — waiting until Ohsawa’s next dietary slip-up.

This dietary misstep occurred 10 years later when Ohsawa was attempting to create a macrobiotic beer. As some of you may know, beer is dangerously yin. Ohsawa hoped to correct this of course, but first he had to taste-test his experimental batches, which hadn’t yet arrived at the perfect yin/yang balance. These sips created the yin condition in Ohsawa’s blood that the dormant parasites had been waiting for. This killed one of the world’s foremost authorities on nutrition, and now beer is doomed to be yin forever.

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Michio and Avaline Kushi

[Michio and Aveline Kushi] wrote books on Japanese macrobiotics back in the 60’s and have been at the forefront of the macrobiotic movement. Aveline died after nine years of cervical cancer at the young age of only 78.

Japanese women have a very long lifespan generally. She got radiation and possibly other medical treatments. Michio now has colon cancer at 81. These two are not good inspirations for health and longevity, yet they held themselves up as role models for a diet and lifestyle in harmony with the universe. …

It is no secret Michio smoked cigarettes and drank coffee for decades. We don’t know what, if any, bad habits Aveline had because Japanese people are generally secretive and keep their affairs close to the chest. Chances are Avenline had her own bad habits she didn’t reveal.

We will never know if they were under heavy stress or had an unhappy marriage. Divorce is considered “bad form” in Japan, and it is far better to stay together in an unhappy marriage than get divorced. We will never know what really went on, or didn’t go on, in the Kushi household. Aveline is gone, and Michio isn’t talking. …

I am very thankful to the Ohsawas, Kushis and other traditionalists who brought macrobiotics to America decades ago.

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Notice how I conveniently left out that Vegan Society founder Donald Watson lived to the age of 95 after 60 years of veganism, and “forgot” to mention all the meat eaters in the history of the world who died even earlier than Frey Ellis. Do I really think I can fool you guys so easily? 

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"Exciting news, I’ve been asked to work for the T. Colin Campbell Foundation as the rebuttal guy. Colin read my rebuttal to the now infamous recent critique of the China Study. He was so impressed, particularly with my understanding of the etiology of cancer, that he asked to meet me in person. So I did, twice. Colin was thrilled to meet me. I was rather astonished how impressed he was with what I wrote, considering that I don’t have any background in science. I was a music major in college and grad school. To put things into perspective, he actually sent what I wrote to the director of Forks Over Knives (the upcoming documentary about him and Caldwell Esselstyn) to explain the science behind the book. He said my understanding was ‘perfect’ and that I explained the subject better than he could. This guy has been active in the field for 5 decades and has been involved in making highest level health policy decisions in the US."

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