It’s Easier to Tolerate Sinners in Christianity Than in Veganism

Despite the reputation that Christians have for being judgmental, the Christian view of non-believing sinners is potentially more forgiving than veganism’s. Christians want to save sinners from themselves, or from Satan, or, you could also say, from God’s overblown standards. Though Christians wouldn’t exactly put it this way, their conception of saving frames God as the brutal one, allowing souls to roast in eternal hellfire for sometimes minor infractions like unbelief. God punishes sinners with divine wrath to satisfy a selfish desire for worship. In veganism it is the sinners themselves who are the brutes, victimizing innocents to satisfy their selfish desires for taste and convenience.

I was raised without religion, but I went through a Christian phase in middle school. My best friend at the time was a Baptist, and for a couple of years, going to church with him filled the meaning vacuum that my parents had left empty. I became especially fervent about my newfound faith after a week at Bible summer camp, which was a wimpier, less over-the-top version of Jesus Camp. I didn’t make an effort to save my atheist family, because I knew there was no hope, but I regularly imagined them in hell, screaming in agony (forever and ever). It was a horrifying image, particularly since I thought they didn’t deserve it. I didn’t see my unbelieving family members as bad people. I just thought they were woefully ignorant of God and his stringent rules. 

In veganism, on the other hand, the non-believers aren’t passively violating a perhaps unfair technicality — they are actively doing horrible things.

Christian reader once emailed me:

The moral dilemma for vegans in meat-eating families is amazing. A Christian like myself may disapprove of homosexual actions, but we don’t believe that a homosexual is (in all cases) doing more than moral-spiritual harm to himself and a consenting partner. We may become loathsome in trying to transmit our beliefs into social mores and taboos. But we have nothing like the psychic tension of the vegan. A vegan believes something like a crime or injustice is being committed in their face. As “annoying” as they can be, I almost feel bad for them, as that is a terrible burden to carry.

This is not to say that all Christians actually do tolerate non-Christians better than vegans tolerate non-vegans. It’s just that the Christian idea of sin often being a strictly personal problem can make it easier to tolerate sinners than in veganism’s conception, where sin is more relevant for its violent external ramifications. It’s easier to avoid contempt for those who are harming only themselves. I wanted to tell my family about Christ to do them a favor. Vegans want to tell us about Soy to do animals a favor. Christianity must spread in order to rescue us from becoming the tortured playthings of Satan. Veganism must spread in order to rescue animals from becoming the tortured playthings of us.

Vegans don’t typically believe in Hell, but many do think that meat eaters will be punished for their sinful eating with heart attacks and premature death, nature’s punishment for all the cholesterol, saturated fat and cruelty we consume.

And as far as many vegans are concerned, we deserve it.

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Now that Ginnifer Goodwin has announced on the Jimmy Kimmel show that she is no longer “vegan,” it’s time to bust out the scare quotes when referring to her previous supposed veganism, which can’t have been real because no true vegan ever quits.  Goodwin herself implied as much in an earlier appearance on the same show, in which she said that once you watch and read all the vegan propaganda, “you can’t go back.” Apparently you can go back, unless some vegans are right and Goodwin never truly left her carnist leanings behind, even while she avoided all animal products and appeared to be very devoted to her ethical vegan beliefs. 

In that earlier interview, Goodwin certainly gave a convincing impersonation of a real vegan. She made sure to use the world “cruel” when referring to animal use. She didn’t excuse Kimmel’s meat eating as a personal choice that was just as valid as any vegan’s — instead she said she was against humans eating animals. She compared a turkey’s personality to a dog’s, a good tactic for making animal lovers realize that the dog they love is no more adorable than the turkeys they eat. She said that she didn’t give up animal products because she disliked the taste, and emphasized her own past animal use, two things many vegans bring up to show how normal they are and how anyone (no matter how ardent their corpse-munching background) can be a vegan.

What happened to Ginnifer Goodwin? She used to be a good person. She was an ambassador for Farm Sanctuary, she graced the cover of VegNews magazine, and in an interview with Oprah.com, she demonstrated an above-average grasp of mandatory vegan talking points, like that veganism is easy, that it made her skin clear up, that it gave her a feeling of lightness (which Alicia Silverstone has also experienced), and that taste and tradition are feeble excuses for animal use:

I educated myself. I relinquished the safety blanket of my ignorance.

This education about health led to a revelation about animals-as-products. It became so clear: I love animals. How can I eat them or make them suffer for something as selfish as taste or tradition?

I knew that the way to be proactive was to convert to a vegan diet (a vegan lifestyle—which means not using animal products of any kind—quickly followed). I found great resources from the Humane Society and from Farm Sanctuary, an animal protection program. I read wonderful books like Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson’s The Pig Who Sang to the Moon, about the emotional lives of farm animals.

And in making this life change, I’ve found I have more energy, I sleep better, and my skin has cleared up. My taste buds awoke! I appreciate food in a whole new way. As for my soul, I quickly began feeling a lightness I’d never known before. Now I take responsibility for my actions. I am aware. And it’s easy.

Because of veganism, I find myself embracing all living things, even the trees outside, in unexpected ways. I never feel guilty because of what I’ve eaten or because of the handbag I’m carrying.

When people ask, I always tell them, “I didn’t stop eating animal products because I didn’t like the taste. I loved the taste! But in this life, I want to inflict as little pain as possible.” To everyone who argues that we can treat our fellow earthlings this way and so we should, I like to quote Harry Potter’ s Dumbledore, who said: “It is our choices, Harry, that show us what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” I adore that.

Sound familiar? Kind of weird that she no longer believes a word of this. Well, all the worse for Goodwin, who should know better than to eat bacon-covered meatloaf, and is now forever on the vegan shitlist. If only she had never gone vegan in the first place!

The vegan blog QuarryGirl, not known for its subtlety, got straight to the point with the title of its entry, “ginnifer goodwin is awful,” in which they say that Goodwin “giggles like an idiot” throughout the “vile” interview (what is there to laugh about when there are millions of animals dying every day?); the commenters on the entry are even less forgiving, and vegan message boards aren’t too happy for Goodwin either.

The vegan reaction to ex-vegan celebrities shows how personally they take veganism and slights against it. Goodwin does not bash vegans in this interview, nor does she say that veganism is stupid, pointless or harmful. The harshest she gets is at the end is when she says it is unbearable to go home to vegan dinners with her vegan family. But since vegans believe that plants have no feelings, there’s no reason for them to think that vegan food is offended by Goodwin’s distaste for it. Vegans are so wrapped up in what they eat that to belittle vegan cuisine is to psychologically assault vegans and all they stand for.

As usual in veganism, it’s not about plants or animals, it’s about vegans. All the comments are about this being a set-back for veganism and how she has betrayed vegans, with a few token references to how the animals are going to suffer due to Goodwin’s new diet. Of course it’s bad enough that she quit veganism, but even worse is that she didn’t slink off to the shadows to eat her scrambled eggs in shameful isolation, and is instead talking about her decision and thus giving validity to anti-vegan claims. What will this do to the popular perception of veganism?, etc. etc. and so on. The reason I don’t write about every vegan celebrity who goes ex is that I would have to write pretty much the same thing every time.

Dumbledore, as usual, was right. Veganism is all about choices, not results. It’s not about the consequences of what you do, but rather why you are doing it. So there are good reasons to be vegan (ethics) and bad reasons to be vegan (health, trendiness, sometimes the environment). Then there are bad reasons to quit veganism, and… bad reasons to quit veganism.

Even though health concerns were one of the first things that initiated her vegan phase, “boring health problems” broke her resolve. Vegans like to talk about how “veganism is not a sacrifice,” and this is an important illusion for vegans to maintain, because the second vegans realize that their lives are irresolvably worse due to their veganism, they start to look for ways out. Ethics are a luxury. Goodwin was able to talk a big ethical game when veganism was easy, but once she could see it was detrimental to herself, she cracked. Being subject to physical realities is a disadvantage veganism has that other ethical beliefs typically don’t. Advocating gay marriage does not necessitate starting a pill regime. Few anti-racists have to actively suppress the urge to attack someone of a difference race. Unlike many other beliefs, veganism entails real sacrifice, and once you realize this, animal suffering starts to seem less pressing.

The decision to swan dive below the moral baseline is not a choice to be made lightly, which helps explain why vegans are so appalled by Goodwin laughing throughout this interview. But it is also not a choice to be made for health reasons in the midst of wrenching, conflicted emotions, which it appears to have been for Goodwin. It’s just not a choice to be made at all. As Gary Francione says, “we have no choice” — we have to be vegan. Except, we clearly don’t, as those pesky ex-vegans keep reminding us.

Ex-vegans are awful, not because of what they do to the animals (most of them consume fewer animals than non-vegans over the course of their lives), but because of what they do to vegans. It’s troubling to think that someone could seem to believe everything vegans do, just as ferociously, and then change their minds as if they never accepted any of it. It exposes vegan ethical philosophy for what it is — abstract and subjective thoughts, with behavioral implications, that are potentially transient. Vegans like to think their daily lives and identities are based on something rather more solid than that.

Well, they are not.

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One of the perils of being raised vegetarian or vegan from birth is that — so long as you aren’t a total health disaster — your parents and other animal activists might have a mind to use you as a mascot for the cause, trotting you out as a counter-example to stories of dead vegan babies and sick vegan adults.

When they’re older, the veg*an-from-birth kids who are put on display must give testimonials about how athletic they are, how they’ve easily maintained their ideal body weight, how rarely they get sick, how short their colds are, how they’ve never been to the hospital except to comfort a meat eating relative dying of cancer, how they never had acne break-outs, how much they enjoy food and how they have no desire to eat meat.

This is only a problem for those who don’t want to be human fodder for an ideological manifesto. If parental influence triumphs and ethical veg*anism becomes an important part of the veg*an child’s identity, they might enjoy their life as a talking point. Alina, the 28 year-old vegetarian from birth in this video, seems to relish being exhibit number seven in pro-veggie author Larry Cook’s parade of vegetarian success stories.

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How to Know if You’re an Ex-Vegan That Vegans Can Write Off Forever

* You have something positive to say about Weston A. Price or the foundation that bears his name. The Weston A. Price Foundation promotes the consumption of saturated fat and cholesterol, the two most lethal food substances according to the standard vegan health argument because both of them are closely allied with animal products. Also, Weston A. Price was a dentist, and vegans hate dentists.

* You have kind words for Lierre Keith and/or Derrick Jensen. Lierre Keith cited Wikipedia in The Vegetarian Myth and Derrick Jensen thinks salmon wants him to eat them. If you could believe the words of two people who are against civilization yet use computers, no wonder you were too dumb to make veganism work.

* A naturopath helped convince you to quit veganism. That’s how Lierre Keith got out of veganism, and Lierre Keith cited Wikipedia.

* You were a raw foodist or dabbled in raw foodism. That’s too restrictive. You did veganism wrong.

* You were a low-fat vegan. That’s too restrictive. You did veganism wrong.

* You were macrobiotic or dabbled in macrobiotics. That’s too restrictive. You did veganism wrong.

* You were a junk food vegan. That’s not restrictive enough. You did veganism wrong.

* You followed all the nutritional recommendations on VeganHealth.org. You didn’t really follow the VeganHealth.org guidelines. Stop lying.

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From K Forkasiewicz of Radically Real:

David Nibert said in an interview (with Mercy for Animals) that ”even the use of the term ‘non-human’ animal — like one of its counterparts in the area of ethnic stratification, ‘non-white’ — implicitly represents human animals as the norm and other types of animals as outside the norm, thus reinforcing their quality of ‘otherness.’” So the problem with “nonhuman” is that the “human” remains at the very center of the picture that was supposed to depict other animals.

Each and every time one wishes to speak of pigs and cows collectively by using the term “nonhumans”, one still bring humans right up there. Looking at “nonhumans” written on a page, one sees “non-humans“. What is more, one then defines other animals exactly by what they are not, in an exclusionary way, omitting their own characteristics completely.

Forkasiewicz’s solution is to speak of humans and “other animals.” I don’t see the difference between this “nonhuman animals.” Wouldn’t this be like talking about white people and “other races”? If chickens and ducks are “other animals,” humans are still the central default animals they’re being distinguished from. Are chickens and ducks cursed to eternal otherization?

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"I just want to give you some hints. One, never eat the main course with family and friends that are not vegan. Try just coming for dessert, but bring your own. I am sorry that your friends and family call you fanatic. Try not eating with them if you can. … Another hint is to spend more time with vegans, eat with THEM, your allies, and you will become even stronger in your convictions and not feel so bad when people call you a fanatic. I personally think that they have a lot of nerve to call you anything. You know that they are all murderers, sadists and hypocrites when you think about it, and they call you names?"

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The Utterly Predictable Trajectory of Omnivore to Vegan to Ex-Vegan to Anti-Vegan

OMNIVORE

1. Grow up on a crappy omnivore diet that includes a lot of junk food and boring home-cooked meals. In the suburbs, ideally. When you meet your first vegan, ask where they get their protein. Say you love cheese too much to ever give it up. Convince yourself there was a strip of leather somewhere on their shoes.

2. Realize how fucked up it is that animals die so you can eat a McNugget. Go vegetarian.

VEGETARIAN

3. Openly judge meat eaters. Anti-meat militancy often peaks early as you distance your new compassionate identity from your shameful recent past. Lecture mom about the evil of bacon while you pick the remnants of last night’s Sloppy Joe out of your teeth.

4. Get annoyed when vegans say you’re inconsistent for giving up meat but not dairy and eggs. Make fun of those extremist vegans with your meat eating pals to demonstrate how comparatively sane you are.

5. Finally admit that vegetarianism is inconsistent. You don’t eat meat because it causes animal suffering and death, but dairy and eggs cause animal suffering and death. Experience cognitive dissonance. Go vegan.

VEGAN

6. Replace your old crappy diet with an equally crappy vegan version, relying on fake meats and fake cheese as you “transition.” If you experience chronic tiredness, frequent colds, depression, headaches or nosebleeds, discover that it’s due to purifying your old meaty ways. If you feel great, credit veganism.

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"We all know what it feels like when the moralization switch flips inside us — the righteous glow, the burning dudgeon, the drive to recruit others to the cause. The psychologist Paul Rozin has studied the toggle switch by comparing two kinds of people who engage in the same behavior but with different switch settings. Health vegetarians avoid meat for practical reasons, like lowering cholesterol and avoiding toxins. Moral vegetarians avoid meat for ethical reasons: to avoid complicity in the suffering of animals. By investigating their feelings about meat-eating, Rozin showed that the moral motive sets off a cascade of opinions. Moral vegetarians are more likely to treat meat as a contaminant — they refuse, for example, to eat a bowl of soup into which a drop of beef broth has fallen. They are more likely to think that other people ought to be vegetarians, and are more likely to imbue their dietary habits with other virtues, like believing that meat avoidance makes people less aggressive and bestial."

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First you soften your carnist lover with yummy vegan treats and thought experiments about who you would kill if you could go back in time (the proper vegan response: Aristotle), and then it’s time to lead their lack of compassion to slaughter:

Once this has gone on for a few weeks your partner will hopefully have become much more comfortable with the idea of a vegan lifestyle, and now it is time to go in for the kill. Ask your partner if they’d be willing to watch the film Earthlings with you, implying that it is something you’ve wanted to see and that you would like their company just in case it proves to be too intense for you to handle alone. …

[T]his film is incredibly effective with its animal rights commentary and emotionally wrenching scenes from within the industry. Your partner will certainly be shaken from seeing this film; use the time immediately afterward to discuss how they are feeling with them. As always, try to ask questions that will guide their thinking in the right direction rather than simply giving them answers. “What did you think about their commentary about speciesism at the beginning?”, “How did you feel about such-and-such practice used to produce so-and-so?”

You will hopefully have gotten to know your partner fairly well at this point and try as best as you can to anticipate any objections they may make. Try to respond to these objections as if you are trying to agree with them, but that their objection doesn’t seem to take into account (some point that you don’t think their objection stands up to), therefore the issue is still bothering you.

Hopefully this will have been enough for your partner to decide to go vegan…

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"It’s hard for me to say how I’d react to relatives who did vivisection, or hunted, or anything like that, but I do know that I haven’t given up on a sister and a dad who eat meat, and I have one non-vegan friend. However, that last wasn’t intentional and I do try to stay away from forming close relationships with non-vegs in part for this reason."
Wendy

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